This mother-daughter, writer-illustrator duo, has created two illustrated books together. The first stemmed from Hallie's painful realization that her mother would die someday. The second from Suzy's heartbreak when her husband of 30 years unexpectedly left her. The three of us talk about the ways that a break up is like a death, all the feelings that come with grief -- including rage -- and how to make your own ritual as a healing tool. Their grief literacy and dark sense of humor made this conversation relatable and models what is possible to talk about in families if only we have the courage.

You can follow Suzy on Instagram @hopkinssuzy and Hallie @hallithbates.

https://geni.us/whenyougetdumped

https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/what-to-do-when-im-gone-9781632869685/

http://halliebateman.com/