In this episode, Jason and Pierre discuss the academic study of purpose and its definition. They explore the concept of purpose as a self-organizing life aim that provides meaning and guides actions and behaviors. The conversation delves into the role of academic literature in studying purpose and the limitations of language in describing spiritual experiences. They also touch on the importance of living a purposeful life and the responsibility of bridging the gap between academic research and personal experience. The conversation explores the concept of purpose and its relationship to spiritual and psychological growth. The speakers discuss how purpose can evolve and be influenced by external factors, such as faith and the universe. They emphasize the importance of setting the right conditions for purpose to emerge and the role of practices like meditation and prayer in cultivating purpose. The conversation also touches on the limitations of academic models of purpose and the power of personal experiences and stories in understanding meaning. They conclude by highlighting the duality of human nature and the potential for individuals to choose the path of serving a greater good.