Jim Pons is an American bassist, author and singer who most notably played for the Leaves, the Turtles, and the Mothers of Invention. He also worked for the New York Jets from 1973 – 2000. His autobiography is titled Hard Core Love: Sex, Football and Rock and Roll in the Kingdom of God.

Richard Borders worked on some of the first concert touring light shows in the 1960’s. He’s done gigs with The Who, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Harry Chapin, Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young, The Band, Janis Joplin, Fleetwood Mac, The Monkees, Yes, & Jethro Tull. He even worked a little show in 1969 called Woodstock. Sadly, Richard passed away a few days after recording this interview.