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Summary
The conversation explores the themes of self-reflection, the role of past experiences, the pursuit of happiness amidst suffering, the importance of character development, and the concept of surrendering to something beyond oneself. It delves into the idea that wisdom and transformation may require external influences and the acceptance of the limits of personal control. 

In this conversation, Josh and Brando discuss the concept of surrender and the role of uncertainty and anxiety in human life. They explore the idea that while we have the power within us to take action and move forward, there are also external forces and mysteries beyond our control. They touch on topics such as objective values, duty and obligation, and the importance of venturing into the unknown. They also discuss the interconnectedness of human beings and the shared psychology that drives us to work together towards a common goal.