Dr. Jonathan is a Pain Medicine Specialist from Western Australia, the author of the blog The Healthy GP, and a TEDx speaker on The Spiritual Dimension of Medicine. In this episode we discuss: * The nurse that shifted his pain paradigm * The multidimensional nature of pain  * Spirituality and pain  * How we should relate to suffering * The pain pyramid and why it is often inverted * Why the future will be better for people in pain  * The role of Physiotherapy for people in pain  * How medicine that treats depression can help people with pain DISCLAIMER: This podcast is for educational purposes only. The views expressed in this podcast do not constitute medical advice and are general in nature. You should obtain specific advice from a qualified health professional before acting on any of the information within this podcast. REFERENCES: * The Healthy GP Blog [https://thehealthygp.com/about-thehealthygp/] * The Spiritual Dimension of Medicine [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D1cvTnvcnQHk&ved=2ahUKEwid7bvs5uiLAxVBa2wGHe_-BFcQtwJ6BAgnEAI&usg=AOvVaw39FP6F19Qtwt318tFd-1fn] * Follow Lachlan on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/lachlan-townend/]and Instagram  [https://www.instagram.com/physiopaincoach/] * Book a Clarity Call with Lachlan [https://www.physiopaincoach.com.au/book-physio-with-lachlan-townend] KEY TOPICS & TIME STAMPS Introduction  * 00:00:00 | Introduction to the episode and guest * 00:02:58 | Background in general practice, anaesthetics, and transition into pain medicine. * 00:05:52 | Personal journey, career shifts, and the motivation behind specialising in pain management. Understanding Pain Beyond the Physical * 00:07:09  | Early experiences in pain medicine and formative moments in treating patients. * 00:10:15  | Pain as a multidimensional experience—biomedical, psychological, and social factors. * 00:12:19 | The impact of emotions, trauma, and stress on physical pain perception. Spirituality & Pain Management * 00:17:16 | The role of spirituality in pain relief and mental resilience. * 00:20:15 | How hope and purpose influence pain perception and recovery. * 00:23:51 | The connection between suffering and personal growth in chronic pain management. The Pyramid of Pain Care * 00:31:40  | A structured approach to pain management: foundational lifestyle factors vs. medical interventions. * 00:37:28 | The problem of reversing the pain care pyramid—why lifestyle and behavioral changes should be the priority. Future of Pain Medicine & Holistic Approaches * 00:43:06 | Innovations in pain management, reducing opioid dependency, and telehealth applications. * 00:49:58 | Chronic pain as a long-term condition—why ongoing self-care is crucial. Final Thoughts & Advice for Those in Pain * 01:10:57 | Encouragement for listeners struggling with pain—practical steps and mindset shifts.