Episode Description:
In this transformative episode of the Pachamama School Podcast: Sacred Wisdom to Birth the New Earth, host Xochitl Kusikuy Ashe welcomes Jessie Susannah Karnatz, AKA The Money Witch, for a profound conversation about healing our relationship with money through spiritual practice and social justice awareness. Against the backdrop of recent global upheavals—from the LA fires to political transitions—this timely discussion explores how to create a future-proof earth by reclaiming our power around finances and resources.
The Money Witch shares her remarkable journey from the sex industry to becoming a financial educator and priestess, including her experience buying and running a unionized worker cooperative. Together, they explore the intersection of capitalism, colonialism, and spiritual practice, offering practical wisdom for healers, creatives, and change-makers who want to thrive financially while staying aligned with their values.
This conversation addresses the urgent need to heal ancestral money wounds, break free from colonial financial programming, and step into our role as resourced stewards of change. They discuss the six portals of financial healing, debunk harmful myths about worth and net worth, and provide a roadmap for building financial literacy as a form of spiritual practice and revolutionary act.
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Money Coven: Available on Teachable
Book: "Money Magic" (available on audio)
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Jessie Susannah Karnatz, AKA The Money Witch, brings capitalism-critical, shame-free education to healers, hustlers, and creatives in order to catalyze change in their financial lives. She believes healing our finances will bring blessing to our lives, our lineages, and our communities. Jessie-Susannah is cult leader at Money Coven, an online web of magical beings who are healing their relationship with money, showing up for their financial self-care, and becoming powerful stewards of their resources. She lives on unceded Ohlone territory in the Bay Area, California, with over 11 years of experience in financial education and healing.
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Chapters:
(01:17) Opening Sacred Space with Hebrew Intentions
(03:16) Introduction to The Money Witch and Setting Sacred Container
(06:33) Genesis Story: From Sex Work to Financial Priestess
(12:08) Integrating Social Justice with Spiritual Money Work
(20:02) Capitalism as Magic Spell and the Wizard of Oz Effect
(22:02) Breaking Down Colonial Money Ethics and Fear-Based Control
(27:45) Healing Ancestral Money Wounds and Indigenous Perspectives
(29:57) The Six Portals of Financial Healing in Money Coven
(37:11) Debunking "Your Worth Equals Your Net Worth" Mythology
(43:49) The Ongoing Journey of Financial Presence and Evolution
(48:16) Final Wisdom: Releasing Guilt and Shame About Having Money
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