This week on the podcast we welcome back Rich Fowllab. We start off by talking about some recent hunts and how we've had some oddly uncommitted coyotes and very few hard chargers. We talk with Rich about his recent switch to hunting with a thermal optic, (he recently got the PTO Mission thermal scope) and his transition from going from thermal scanner, shooting NV to Thermal/Thermal. We discuss the pros and cons of NV vs thermal, target identification and how it relates to experience level of the hunter and the quality of the optic, scenarios where it is important to have positive ID (It is ALWAYS important, but some areas require an added level of target ID). We also get into talking about data taken from the Tactacam Reveal cameras. Rich has about 2 years of data now from his cameras for predators, where Kevin resets his each year. Rich has accumulated over 400 data points in those 2 years and Kevin is at only about 70. We talk about the trends, and variables that we get from that data. As always, THANK YOU for listening. Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorthermaloptics.com www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors Oak Ridge Customs ATN Prym1