In 2003, Lori McLeod and her daughter, Kaysi, were living a modest, quiet life in rural Colorado. Lori occasionally visited a nearby casino to play her favorite card games—a small escape from her everyday routine. There, she met Scott Kimball. He was assisting his mother in a wheelchair when he struck up a friendly conversation with Lori. Scott’s warm demeanor, easy humor, and apparent devotion to his mother made a strong impression. To Lori, he seemed genuine, kind, and trustworthy. But the man she met that night was nothing like the person he truly was. Join us on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast  entitled "FBI Informant, Serial Killer: The Double Life of Scott Kimball" Listener discretion by @octoberpodVHS All music by our EP @theinkypawprint Sources:  https://www.foxnews.com/us/serial-killer-fbi-informant-tricked-feds-for-years-while-preying-on-victims-former-agent https://magazine.atavist.com/2021/the-snitch-fbi-scott-kimball-informant-killer-colorado https://www.denverpost.com/tag/scott-kimball/ https://abcnews.go.com/US/convicted-serial-killer-scott-kimballs-sons-break-silence/story?id=99174449 https://www.crimelibrary.org/serial_killers/predators/scott_lee_kimball/9.html https://www.cbsnews.com/video/serial-killer-hannibal-speaks/ https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article218733255.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-mystery-hannibal-unmasked-20-08-2011/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/o27ohz/in_scott_kimball_the_fbi_thought_it_had_found_a/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAJ4pX8F__E https://www.cbsnews.com/news/serial-killers-life-of-crime/ https://thecinemaholic.com/where-is-scott-kimball-now/ https://www.thereviewgeek.com/where-is-scott-lee-kimball-now/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnX57daQ4kY https://www.serialkillercalendar.com/Scott%20Lee%20KIMBALL.php Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On a cold fall morning in October 1978, near Rock Rapids, Iowa, a crew burying telephone cables made the grim discovery of a young woman's body hidden in an overgrown ditch off Highway 182. With no identification found at the scene, the woman was immediately classified as a Jane Doe. For 27 years, Jane Doe lay beneath a gravestone reading "Unknown Female" before she finally reclaimed her name: Wilma June Nissen. Now, investigators and Wilma's daughter, Krissi, a daughter she never met, are trying to piece together Wilma's final years and finally solve her brutal murder. If you have any information about Wilma’s murder, "Sugar" or "Peaches," please reach out to one of the following links: Crime Stoppers: 800-222-TIPS Cold Case Coalition Tip Line (385) 258-3313 Lyon County Sheriff’s Office: 712-472-8300 And the Lyon County Sheriff’s Office email: sheriff@lyoncountyia.com The Iowa Attorney General’s Cold Case Unit 1-800-242-5100 and their email: coldcase@ag.iowa.gov Links to Krissi’s social media and GoFundMe: Email: Justice4Wilma@aol.com Instagram: @wilma_june_nissen_cold_case Reddit: Wilma June Nissen cold case discussion page:  r/WilmaJuneNissen TikTok- Krissi_1977  X- @MyMomsMurder  And Krissi’s Go Fund Me: https://gofund.me/663f6d31 If you have any information about Wilma’s murder, here are the following links:  Lyon County Sheriff’s Office: 712-472-8300 And the Lyon County Sheriff’s Office email: sheriff@lyoncountyia.com Crime Stoppers: 800-222-TIPS Cold Case Coalition Tip Line (385) 258-3313 The Iowa Attorney General’s Cold Case Unit 1-800-242-5100 and their email: coldcase@ag.iowa.gov Current Sheriffs of Lyon County: Sheriff Brian Hilt: (712) 472-8310 Amy Stoner (712) 472-8326 A huge thank you goes to Charity Dodd for sharing her research with us. You rock!! As always, thank you to our team. Listener Discretion by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward October ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Research & Writing by Lauretta Allen Executive Producers Nico & Jesse of The Inky Pawprint ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://theinkypawprint.com⁠⁠⁠ Sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_zhYznrqiQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZKyyLs2Kx4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk-_5Hfsk20 https://seasonofjustice.org/featured/wilma-june-nissen/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/131684186/?match=1&terms=dead%20body%20found%20Rock%20Rapids https://www.newspapers.com/image/358217961/?match=1&terms=dead%20body%20found%20Rock%20Rapids https://www.newspapers.com/image/336088160/?match=1&terms=dead%20body%20found%20Rock%20Rapids https://www.newspapers.com/image/337648775/?match=1&terms=Wilma%20June%20Nissen https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/193751059/june_eva-nissen (Wilma's mother's Findagrave entry) https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19379833/wilma-june-nissen https://www.nwestiowa.com/news/new-lead-for-lyon-county-cold-case/article_31e9c062-1961-11e6-a014-53443c67e206.html https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/74110707/charles_clarence-nissen https://www.the-sun.com/news/14825036/wilma-nissen-cold-case-mom-murdered-krissi-atkisson-iowa/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/1174347428/?terms=%22June%20Eva%20Nissen%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1174347457/?match=1&terms=%22June%20Eva%20Nissen%22 .https://www.jurrensfuneralhome.com/obituaries/4722694 Det Craig Vinson obituary https://projectcoldcase.org/2025/05/12/wilma-nissen/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/335769175/?match=1&terms=%22John%20Van%20Gammeren%22 https://www.dglobe.com/news/perjury-charges-dismissed-in-cold-case-murder Petition: https://c.org/wPThnwH2LC  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It was a warm Wednesday morning in Sarasota, Florida, on June 12, 1991, when 36-year-old Jackie Galloway was supposed to meet a friend for lunch. The friend arrived at her home expecting an easy midday catch-up. Instead, the front door was unlocked, Galloway’s purse was sitting on the couch, and an unsettling silence filled the house. Jackie was gone. By the next afternoon, ten miles from downtown Sarasota, a passerby discovered a body dumped in a vacant lot, wrapped tightly in a beige bedsheet. It was Jackie. Her body was already decomposing under the relentless Florida sun. A noose was still looped around her neck. Her wrists bore the angry marks of bindings, and every one of her artificial nails had been torn away, illustrating the fight that Jackie had put up to try to escape.  Join Jen and Cam on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Murder by the Book: Jackie Galloway.’ Listener discretion by @octoberpodVHS All music by our executive producer @theinkypawprint Sources:  https://www.mysuncoast.com/2020/08/25/convicted-rapist-murderer-be-released-after-serving-less-than-half-sentence/ https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/crime/convicted-sarasota-murderer-rapist-to-be-released-after-serving-partial-sentence/67-c707042d-40e8-4c60-a3f6-e594678f8262 https://www.facebook.com/heraldtribune/posts/john-waterman-54-who-raped-and-killed-a-sarasota-county-woman-and-raped-another-/10164173446750710/ https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/state-v-waterman-no-884878986 https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/early-release-of-killer-rapist-john-waterman-angers-florida-community https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=71973 https://www.mysuncoast.com/2020/08/25/heres-why-convicted-murderer-rapist-is-only-serving-half-his-sentence/ https://people.com/crime/jackie-galloway-murderer-john-waterman/ https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/25/convicted-sarasota-murderer-serial-rapist-john-waterman-released/5625619002/ https://test2.milnerbrowne.com/2546961/unveiling-the-dark-truth-the-story-of-john-waterman-the-killer/ https://people.com/crime/john-waterman-florida-man-neighbors-upset-release-murderer-rapist/ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2896809/news/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Jen and Cam are joined by their friend Dawn from Method & Madness. Dawn, with her background in Criminal Justice and victim advocacy, brings a unique perspective to the tragic and still unsolved murder of Deverrie Schiller. Deverrie, a young woman of only 23, set out from her home in California City for a simple trip to Taco Bell. Tragically, she never returned. Her lifeless body was discovered the following day, a devastating event that sent shockwaves through her community and shattered the world of her mother, Debi. Method & Madness is not just another true crime podcast. It's a platform with a profound purpose, deeply rooted in compassionate storytelling and a strong focus on victim advocacy. Every episode is crafted to center on the victims and their survivors, ensuring the criminal is never glorified. With Dawn's background in Criminal Justice and victim advocacy, the show's approach is unique. It uses immersive storytelling and insightful commentary to honor the victims and shed light on the broader societal issues connected to violence. Anyone with information about the murder of Deverrie Schiller can contact: California City Police Dept 760-373-8606 Crimestoppers: 800-222-8477 Debi Fones has created coloring books, honoring children gone too soon: Amazon.com: The Wings Of Our Children Book 12: 9798263580339: Lee, Remedy: Books Method and Madness Website:Method & Madness Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It should have been a time of celebration. Melissa Lamesch, a 27-year-old EMT, was just two days away from giving birth to her baby boy. Instead, her home in Mt. Morris, Illinois, was engulfed in flames on Thanksgiving Eve. First responders treated the scene as a terrible accident, but the medical examiner soon delivered a shock: Melissa had died before the fire even began. That truth exposed a dark motive, one rooted in a secret relationship and the imminent arrival of a child the father did not want. Join Jen and Cam as they discuss "The Deadline: Melissa Lamesch." Thank you to our team Listener Discretion by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward October ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Research & Writing by Lauretta Allen Executive Producers Nico & Jesse of The Inky Pawprint ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://theinkypawprint.com⁠⁠ Sources: https://people.com/melissa-lamesch-death-people-magazine-investigates-8766788 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta0IUWG5Zss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZVCTWFkR90 https://www.finchfuneral.com/obituaries/melissa-lamesch https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/277013872/melissa-deanne-lamesch https://www.cbsnews.com/news/melissa-lamesch-matthew-plote-illinois-firefighter-accused-of-staging-house-fire-to-cover-up-murder-48-hours/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/696991681/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/697561140/?match=1&clipping_id=182247891 https://www.newspapers.com/image/697561135/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/700693973/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20obituary https://www.newspapers.com/image/824364094/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 (Plote arrest) https://www.newspapers.com/image/825964251/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/894952081/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/831529455/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/831529533/?terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/824453855/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/839290648/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/833170919/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1024379826/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/959058622/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1021227602/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1021227580/?terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1057262119/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1147080532/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1144701359/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1092816504/?match=1&terms=%22Melissa%20Lamesch%22%20 (guilty) People Magazine Investigates: Season 8 Episode 11 Inferno of Lies (I watched it on HBO) https://www.wifr.com/2024/03/22/she-said-she'd-call-me-right-back-plote-trial-gains-powerful-witness-testimonies/ https://thecinemaholic.com/melissa-lamesch-family/ info on parents and siblings https://thecinemaholic.com/matthew-plote/ . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Every Monday, poet and paranormal obsessive Heidi Wong unearths the chilling true stories behind the world’s most terrifying legends. From haunted dolls to cursed houses, each episode of Twisted Tales reveals the disturbing real-life events that inspired horror’s biggest blockbusters and the ones too twisted to make it to screen. Some stories are stranger than fiction. These are darker. New episodes every Monday. Twisted Tales is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios. Follow on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Listen here: https://link.podtrac.com/listentotwistedtales Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the summer of 2016, Gaylin Rose had moved her 4 little girls to Flora, a small town of just over 2,000 residents, seeking a fresh start. The two-story duplex cost $500 a month to rent, and by autumn, they were settling into a routine. Rose had secured a job at a nearby gas station, while her daughters threw themselves into school, cheerleading, and making new friends. On the night of November 20, Rose tucked her daughters into their bunkbeds upstairs. Rose retired to her bedroom on the lower floor. At 3:00 a.m., silence gave way to chaos. Thick plumes of smoke curled up over East Columbia Street. By the time fire trucks left for the scene, a three-story apartment building at 103 East Columbia was already engulfed in flames.   The four sisters — Kionnie Welch, 5; Kerriele McDonald, 7; Keyara Phillips, 9; and Keyana Davis, 11  would not survive. Join Cam and Jen on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘Lost in the Ashes: The Flora Fire Four.’ Today’s episode was a special request by Shaniece. Thanks for reaching out. If you have any information about the Flora arson case, call the Indiana State Police at 800‑382‑4628 or submit a tip at tips.fbi.gov. Listener discretion by @octoberpodVHS Music is by our EP @theinkypawprint Sources:  https://www.wishtv.com/news/i-team-8/a-chase-for-answers-questions-remain-after-flora-fire-kills-4-girls/ https://fox59.com/dashboard-camera-video-reveals-rescue-attempt-in-deadly-flora-fire/ https://fox59.com/news/8-years-later-isp-discusses-deadly-flora-house-fire-that-left-4-girls-dead/ https://www.jconline.com/story/news/crime/2025/07/07/fbi-state-police-go-door-to-door-to-try-to-solve-fatal-2016-flora-fire/84494391007/ https://fox59.com/news/8-years-later-isp-discusses-deadly-flora-house-fire-that-left-4-girls-dead/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK4fmbGAAmM https://www.wishtv.com/news/i-team-8/the-chase-for-answers-mom-shares-anger-heartache-7-years-after-flora-fire-killed-4-girls/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It was Halloween night in 1973 in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. Nine-year-old Lisa Ann French dressed up to go trick-or-treating, but she never came home. Lisa's disappearance terrified the town. The desperate search lasted for days, ending with a shocking discovery that changed how families everywhere thought about letting their kids trick-or-treat. The awful truth? The person who took Lisa was someone she knew, a neighbor who lived right nearby. This week, join Cam and Jen as they discuss the case of Lisa French and how "The Monster on Rose Avenue" stole a child's life and changed Halloween forever. Thank you to our team Listener Discretion by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward October ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Research & Writing by Lauretta Allen Executive Producers Nico & Jesse of The Inky Pawprint ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://theinkypawprint.com⁠⁠ Sources: https://www.wisciviljusticecouncil.org/wwcms/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Thomas-M.-Hruz-Criminals-Escaping-Affliction-Gerald-Turner-and-Wisconsin%E2%80%99s-Fair-Employment-Law-Wisconsin-Interest-Winter-2000-at-7..pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lisa_Ann_French https://www.nbc26.com/fonddulac/judge-says-halloween-killer-will-stay-in-mental-health-facility  (this article says she died of shock) https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/591494d9add7b049345c40a7 https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comments/1abu1z6/on_halloween_1973_9yearold_lisa_ann_french_was/ https://people.com/lisa-french-halloween-murder-11697665 https://www.newspapers.com/image/270324881/?match=1&clipping_id=180855281 https://www.newspapers.com/image/270330493/?match=1&clipping_id=180855438 https://www.newspapers.com/image/597646228/?match=1&terms=Lisa%20French%20murder%20Halloween https://www.newspapers.com/image/285243209/?match=1&terms=Lisa%20French%20murder%20Halloween https://www.newspapers.com/image/270347812/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/288054377/?match=1&terms=Lisa%20French%20murder%20Halloween https://www.newspapers.com/image/285223032/?match=1&clipping_id=180859221 https://www.newspapers.com/image/285323435/?match=1&clipping_id=180859305 https://www.newspapers.com/image/288068208/?match=1&terms=Lisa%20French%20murder%20Halloween https://www.newspapers.com/image/611573818/?match=1&terms=Lisa%20French%20murder%20Halloween https://www.newspapers.com/image/406427707/?match=1&terms=Lisa%20French%20murder%20Halloween https://www.newspapers.com/image/1053173158/?match=1&terms=Lisa%20French%20murder%20Halloween https://www.newspapers.com/image/270538845/?match=1&terms=Lisa%20French%20murder https://www.newspapers.com/image/270538845/?match=1&terms=Lisa%20French%20murder https://www.newspapers.com/image/290818494/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/270538317/?match=1&clipping_id=180862764 https://www.newspapers.com/image/270538375/?match=1&terms=Arlene%20Penn https://www.newspapers.com/image/290924434/?match=1&terms=%22Lisa%20French%22%20murder (refutes confessions, denies even seeing her) https://www.newspapers.com/image/1035313879/?match=1&terms=%22Lisa%20French%22%20murder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoned_candy_myths https://www.newspapers.com/image/270326228/?match=1&terms=%22Lisa%20French%22%20funeral https://www.newspapers.com/image/288073336/?match=1&terms=%22Lisa%20French%22%20funeral http://www.apricetopay.com/blog/the-halloween-killer https://www.thepetitionsite.com/713/926/478/petition-to-keep-the-quotthe-halloween-killer-gerald-m.-turner-incarcerated/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

UPDATE: When we first covered Robert Eugene Brashers back in April 2025, we never imagined he’d be tied to one of Texas’s most infamous crimes: the 1991 Austin Yogurt Shop Murders. Now, advanced DNA testing has confirmed his link to the horrific killings that haunted Austin for more than three decades. On December 6, 1991, four teenage girls, Jennifer and Sarah Harbison, Eliza Thomas, and Amy Ayers, were found bound, gagged, and shot inside an I Can’t Believe It’s Yogurt! shop that had been set on fire. The case became one of Texas’s deepest mysteries, spawning thousands of leads, false confessions, and the wrongful convictions of two young men later cleared by DNA evidence. Now stay tuned for episode 305: “Genetic Justice: Unmasking Robert Brashers.” From the original airdate: For years, Robert Brashers had managed to evade justice, slipping through the cracks repeatedly. But on January 13, 1999, his luck finally ran out in a modest motel room in Kennett, Missouri. What began as a routine police search quickly escalated into a tense, life-or-death standoff that would forever change the lives of those involved. Who was Robert Brashers? A man who his wife and children loved. What could have driven him to such a tragic end?  The entire truth would remain hidden for years, with whispers suggesting that there were more victims out there.   Join Jen and Cam of Our True Crime Podcast on this episode, "Genetic Justice: Unmasking Robert Brashers.”  Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHS Music is by our executive producer @theinkypawprint Sources:  https://www.facebook.com/InvestigationDiscovery/videos/connected-by-murder-on-the-case-with-paula-zahn/2284387901877879/ https://greenvillejournal.com/tag/robert-eugene-brashers/ https://www.kait8.com/2018/10/05/killer-linked-murders-missouri-tennessee-south-carolina-paragould/ https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/murder-suspects-robert-brashers-body-exhumed-solve-two-1990s-cold-cases https://archive.today/20230115112055/https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/10/05/greenville-cold-case-robert-brashers-jenny-zitricki/1534079002/ https://archive.ph/20230115112155/https://www.kfvs12.com/2019/02/05/my-father-was-serial-killer-robert-brashers-daughter-speaks-out/#selection-811.21-1279.52 https://archive.ph/20230115112128/https://greenvillejournal.com/news/greenville-police-murderer-in-28-year-old-cold-case-identified/#selection-937.42-937.43 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Eugene_Brashers https://archive.today/20230115112038/https://www.fultonsun.com/news/2020/nov/19/fulton-resident-reminisces-homicide-investigation/ https://archive.ph/20230115112159/https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2019/01/13/daughter-serial-killer-rapist-tied-greenville-hes-still-my-father/2481586002/#selection-529.0-851.132 https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31099977/robert-brashers-mo-from-1985/ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54853022/robert-brashers-florida-crime-1985/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Knotek residence appeared unremarkable to outsiders. A modest home, needing a bit of work from years of rain, rested quietly on a tree-lined street. To neighbors, it was just another house, just another family. Behind its doors, however, was a living nightmare—meticulously orchestrated by Michelle Knotek, with the complicity of her husband, David. Outwardly, Michelle seemed maternal, warm, and inviting. In truth, her hospitality was a trap. At first, life with the Knoteks appeared normal, but the facade didn’t last long. Michelle’s cruelty emerged gradually, each act more deliberate and sadistic than the last.  Join Cam and Jen on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘From Mother to Monster: The Knotek Family.’ Listener Discretion by @octoberpodVHS All Music by our EP @theinkypawprint Make sure to check out the promo from our friends at The Final Trace https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-final-trace  Sources: https://www.amazon.com/If-You-Tell-Unbreakable-Sisterhood-ebook/dp/B07Q5TL9SQ https://books.google.com/books?id=5ahTxAEACAAJ https://www.chinookobserver.com/news/local/raymond-murderer-crazy-shellie-released-from-prison/article_539f6e46-61f3-11ed-99c6-433b5a338fd0.html https://caselaw.findlaw.com/wa-court-of-appeals/1430291.html https://ftp.spaceneedle.com/browse/mL1FD1/600976/Knotek%20Daughters%20Their%20Story%20Unveiled.pdf http://web.kitsapsun.com/archive/2003/08-14/228867_couple_charged_with_murder_in_d.html https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/20030817/raymond17m/something-unspeakable-now-the-talk-of-two-towns http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Woman-gets-22-years-in-deaths-of-boarders-1152156.php https://www.oxygen.com/snapped/photos/episode-19-michelle-knotek https://www.shortform.com/blog/michelle-knotek-shane-watson/ https://www.magersandquinn.com/product/AMER-MOST-EVIL-MOM-SHELLY-KNOT/26348146 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1657267/ https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/suspect-s-relatives-contacted-police-in-2001-1121929.php#page-1- https://tdn.com/business/local/raymond-couple-charged-in-murders/article_944e373c-9fbd-5bfb-8650-2501a09a53aa.html http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Dog-adds-twist-to-Raymond-case-1121726.php Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Careful! This one is disturbing. In the early 2000s, women in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, lived in fear. Two different predators were stalking the city, leaving a trail of terror and death. While authorities were hunting for one killer, another, even more depraved murderer was operating completely under the radar. For ten years, Sean Vincent Gillis lived a chilling double life, murdering at least eight women, and the details of his crimes are beyond deranged. Even other serial killers are disturbed by him. He wasn't some dark, shadowy figure who stood out from the crowd. To all who knew him, he was just an ordinary guy, not the monster that was hiding in plain sight. Join Jen and Cam as they talk about "The Butcher of Baton Rouge: Sean Vincent Gillis." Be sure to stay and listen to the promo for Ghost Bites. It's a new podcast brought to you by our friends, Mike and JT from Brew Crime. It's perfect listening for spooky season! Thank you to our team Listener Discretion by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward October ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Research & Writing by Lauretta Allen Executive Producers Nico & Jesse of The Inky Pawprint ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://theinkypawprint.com⁠⁠ Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Vincent_Gillis https://www.newspapers.com/image/218293983 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1037869884/?match=1&clipping_id=179454176 https://www.newspapers.com/image/473164922/?match=1&clipping_id=179454243 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1037516392/?match=1&clipping_id=179454409 https://www.promega.es/-/media/files/products-and-services/genetic-identity/ishi-28-oral-abstracts/berry.pdf https://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/gillis-sean.htm https://www.newspapers.com/image/1037890650/?match=1&clipping_id=179456922 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1037890581/?match=1&terms=%22Hardee%20Schmidt%22 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/58750961/rachel-anna-bryan https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147871800/donna-johnston https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/93816412/annie_hardee-schmidt https://www.newspapers.com/image/447359491/?match=1&terms=%22Johnnie%20Mae%20Williams%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/229163871/?match=1&clipping_id=179459891 https://www.newspapers.com/image/470289746/?match=1&clipping_id=179459996 https://www.newspapers.com/image/220130172/?match=1&clipping_id=179460099 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1038511629/?match=1&clipping_id=179460210 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1038511320/?match=1&clipping_id=179460342 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1037326900/?match=1&terms=%22Donna%20Bennett%20Johnston%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/225434960/?match=1&terms=%22Sean%20Vincent%20Gillis%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1036434978/?match=1&clipping_id=179461186 https://youtu.be/KPB_vznn77o?si=Y7R-0F4rbXCG5a08 https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/sean-gillis-now https://medmindist.com/sean-vincent-gillis/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/1037300915/?match=1&terms=%22Sean%20Gillis%22%20 https://www.newspapers.com/image/539788905/?match=1&terms=%22Sean%20Gillis%22%20 https://criminalminds.fandom.com/wiki/Sean_Vincent_Gillis Gillis is also featured in several documentaries, including "Butchers in the Bayou," "The Devil You Know," and "World's Most Evil Killers." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The internet often feels like a harmless escape. A place where Facebook shows you picture-perfect families, where influencers promise miracles in a bottle, where friendships are born from nothing more than a shared “like.” But behind the glow of the monitor, reality can warp into something darker, something far more dangerous than anyone imagines. In one quiet town, a single online connection spiraled into lies, obsession, and betrayal, trapping people in a digital web they never saw coming until it was too late. Because online, anyone can be anything. And for one young man, that illusion would prove deadly. Join Cam and Jen on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled ‘Love, Lies and the Internet: The Murder of Brian Barrett.’ Listener discretion by Edward @OctoberpodVHS Music by our editor/ep @theinkypawprint Sources: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2180168/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDjNvcrAA0A https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/nyregion/07triangle.html https://www.lockportjournal.com/news/local_news/courts-montgomery-gets-20-years-in-internet-love-triangle-killing/article_d124d951-07a1-5d2e-bdae-b15098085262.html https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca6/24-5637/24-5637-2025-06-09.html https://www.officer.com/investigations/article/55293384/how-to-catch-a-criminal-liar-liar https://www.cbsnews.com/news/internet-love-triangle-comes-to-deadly-end/ https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/web-user-sentenced-for-killing-online-rival-1.636158 https://abcnews.go.com/US/online-love-triangle-deception-end-murder/story?id=14371076 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Altona, Manitoba, is a small town sitting in the middle of a windswept prairie about a fifteen-minute drive north of North Dakota. In the winter, the days are short, the snow falls frequently, and there’s very little to do except play hockey or other indoor activities. The town was founded by Mennonites, who, like the Amish, are known for their pacifist and peaceful ways. However, that did not mean the town was exempt from its fair share of tragedies.  However, nothing would stun the Altona residents more than what happened on a November night in 1990. What started as a typical evening for two teenage boys ended in a horrific home invasion that left one dead and the other critically injured. The attack was violent and merciless, shaking the entire community to its core. Join Jen and Cam as they discuss "Out of the Fire: Murder in Altona." Thank you to our team Listener Discretion by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward October ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Research & Writing by Lauretta Allen Executive Producers Nico & Jesse of The Inky Pawprint ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://theinkypawprint.com⁠ Sources: https://www.newspapers.com/image/737008967/?match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/948646262/?match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/737008599/?match=1&terms=%22Curtis%20Klassen%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/737008599/?match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/735474324/?match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/735472254/?match=1 https://www.iaedjournal.org/the-road-of-resilience https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/altona-manitoba-documentary-world-premiere-1.7049171 https://www.steinbachonline.com/articles/documentary-altona-uses-30-year-old-crime-to-explore-forgiveness https://www.firefightingincanada.com/a-story-of-resilience-26441/ https://www.newspapers.com/image/737008967/?match=1&terms=%22Curtis%20Klassen%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1011921809/?match=1&clipping_id=178356248 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altona_murder#:~:text=The%20Altona%20murder%20occurred%20in,bodily%20injuries%20and%20alerted%20authorities.&text=Giesbrecht%20was%20arrested%20shortly%20after%2C%20and%20confessed%20to%20the%20murder. https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2010/06/18/killer-to-get-taste-of-freedom https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.5551761 (this interview with Klassen's dad is just pitiful) https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/43-survivors-tyler-pelke-and-the-nova-scotia-boy/id1483801903?i=1000516794821 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altona_murder https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.5553431 https://www.brandonsun.com/local/2013/06/18/bible-belts-bogeyman-still-haunts-town https://winnipegsun.com/2014/03/02/rising-out-of-the-fire https://www.newspapers.com/image/734980397/?match=1&terms=%22Curtis%20Klassen%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/734980254/?match=1&terms=%22Curtis%20Klassen%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/735009940/?match=1&terms=%22Curtis%20Klassen%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/735843197/?match=1&terms=%22Curtis%20Klassen%22 https://www.newspapers.com/image/1022422054/?match=1&terms=%22Curtis%20Klassen%22 I survived Season 7 episode 10, A&E Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Do you want to know what it is like to be one of  'Our True Crime Podcast' Patreons?  Here is a sneak peek. This episode was released in January on our Patreon platform. Due to circumstances, we were unable to produce an episode this week, so we thought it was a perfect time to revisit an episode that originally aired on Patreon. Join us! The Petit family lived in an idyllic, quiet, tree-lined neighborhood of Cheshire, Connecticut. Dr. William Petit, a respected endocrinologist, his wife Jennifer, a beloved nurse, and their two daughters—17-year-old Hayley, a bright and driven high school senior, and 11-year-old Michaela, a sweet and creative child—made their home at 300 Sorghum Mill Drive. By all accounts, the Petits were a picture of suburban success. But on the evening of July 22, 2007, an unassuming trip to the local Stop & Shop set in motion a chain of events that would shatter their world. Join Cam and Jen on this episode of Our True Crime Podcast entitled “The Cheshire Murders: The Petit Family.” LD by @octoberpodVHS Music by @theinkypawprint Sources: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/27/justice/connecticut-home-invasion-sentencing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 https://abcnews.go.com/US/petit-trial-coroner-describes-teen-daughters-death/story?id=14607151 https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/local/charges-against-steven-hayes/2059089/?amp=1 https://www.registercitizen.com/news/article/Komisarjevsky-complete-list-of-charges-12058464.php The Cheshire Murders (Television production). HBO https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/connecticuts-top-court-overturns-death-penalty-state-n409256 https://web.archive.org/web/20190910201036/http://www.nbcnews.com/id/20706697/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/desperate-hours#.Xo9cXYhKiUk https://medium.com/the-true-crime-times/the-cheshire-murders-innocence-lost-1e4bec712e09 https://web.archive.org/web/20100926195121/http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/twisted_texts_of_killer_G8iLnVxkF0WgpcTcOeC4QM https://www.cbsnews.com/news/petit-family-murder-trial-new-evidence-testimony-paints-graphic-picture-of-conn-home-invasion/ https://archive.today/20120723165500/http://www.courant.com/community/cheshire/cheshire-home-invasion/hc-komisarjevsky-fair-trial-1110-20101109,0,2009741.story https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/cheshire-connecticut-home-invasion-murders-10-years-later/483863001/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you to Amy M for requesting this episode! A rich and powerful man who thought he was above the law and a brave sheriff who refused to back down. This is the story of how one murder brought a corrupt "king" and his reign of terror crashing down. Join Jen & Cam as we explore the 1948 case that made history in the American South, "Fall of a Kingdom: Coweta County Murder" Thank you to our team Listener Discretion by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward October ⁠⁠⁠⁠ Research & Writing by Lauretta Allen Executive Producers Nico & Jesse of The Inky Pawprint ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://theinkypawprint.com⁠ Please go to www.ourtruecrimepodcast.com for a complete list of sources. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It was the evening of July 6, 2007, when the call came in to the Russell County Sheriff’s Department. A truck driver had spotted what he believed to be a body lying along a lonely stretch of road outside Phenix City, Alabama. At first, the deputies dismissed it as unlikely. This was a tight-knit community, a place where neighbors grew up together and tragedies of that magnitude felt unthinkable. But on that humid Southern night, something unspeakable had happened. Lieutenant Heath Taylor and Sergeant Grover Goodrich were dispatched to the scene. The road was rural, unlit, and shrouded in silence, save for the hum of insects. Their flashlights cut through the dark landing on what could no longer be mistaken: the body of a young woman, late teens or early twenties, crumpled in the gravel. Who would kill this young woman and why? Both answers would be shocking. Join Cam and Jen of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘The Killer Next to Her: Stephanie ‘Shea’ Graham.’ Listener discretion if from @octoberpodVHS Music is by our editor @theinkypawprint Hey! You want to go to Italy with us in June 2026, make sure to check out the details on our webpage. ourtruecrimepodcast.com or reach out and email ourtruecrimepodcast@gmail.com. Sources: https://www.alabamaag.gov/attorney-general-steve-marshall-announces-court-of-criminal-appeals-upholds-capital-murder-conviction-in-russell-county/ https://www.wtvm.com/2019/07/20/capital-murder-conviction-upheld-phenix-city-woman-accused-contract-killing-her-daughter/ https://ftp.analyticowl.com/trendzone/stephanie-graham-murder-where-are-lisa-graham-and-kenneth-walton%C2%A0now https://www.cbs42.com/news/crime/the-5-women-on-alabamas-death-row/ https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/19/19-8782/150960/20200821153708727_BIO.pdf https://www.wtvm.com/story/28220610/fmr-investigator-testifies-in-day-3-of-lisa-graham-retrial/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimeDiscussion/comments/193bl0u/was_death_row_inmate_lisa_grahams_husband_kevin_a/ https://www.oxygen.com/snapped/season-20/lisa-graham https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/al-court-of-criminal-appeals/2008870.html https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28668824/ https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/crime/article29403523.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A big Thank You to Belinda for requesting this episode! On a remote stretch of highway in the Australian Outback, a young couple's road trip turned into a nightmare. Peter Falconio, a British backpacker, vanished without a trace, and his girlfriend, Joanne Lees, was found battered and distraught, having escaped a terrifying ordeal. But as police began to unravel the events of that night, people started to doubt Joanne's story. Was she a brave survivor, or was she hiding a dark secret? Join Jen & Cam as they discuss 'Into the Never-Never: Peter Falconio & Joanne Lees' Come to Italy with us in 2026! Call to speak to an agent ⁠1-800-438-7672 ⁠ ⁠https://groups.goaheadtours.com/tours/zvrg-true-crime⁠ If you have any questions, RSVP with the link below for our Zoom meeting on August 19th at 6 PM CST. Can't wait to meet you! https://tinyurl.com/3sbzz7cz Thank you to our team Listener Discretion by ⁠⁠⁠Edward October ⁠⁠⁠ Research & Writing by Lauretta Allen Executive Producers Nico & Jesse of The Inky Pawprint ⁠⁠⁠https://theinkypawprint.com⁠ Sources: https://youtu.be/1ecev-s1S3Y?si=RzWiYo9FiD7XzqcH https://youtu.be/EOI6HiMayK4?si=ip07xi1aaONpVjoK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Territory https://www.newspapers.com/image/259639810/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/727358980/?match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/720094814/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/752702312/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/121437746/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/121591385/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/257729313/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/1052210791/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/1140309498/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/1179747398/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/1049290141/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/752436797/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/726001238/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/752434849/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://www.newspapers.com/image/753330238/?match=1 https://www.newspapers.com/image/723422920/?match=1&terms=Joanne%20Lees https://time.com/archive/6952425/terror-australis/ https://www.news.com.au/national/northern-territory/the-unanswered-questions-about-peter-falconios-murder-as-outback-killer-dies-aged-67/news-story/9e85d77b4d33e26fbceb00d7b22defe0 https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/outback-murder-mystery-of-peter-falconio-remains/news-story/c24596ba385b0b0751e616cf75235139  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Peter_Falconio https://www.theage.com.au/national/doubt-over-dna-test-in-falconio-case-20071224-ge6ji5.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/02/australia.uk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja-Y3vw0WDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihObH8e3jvQ&t=1128s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ov-S8ZoLgE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

***Make sure to listen for a special announcement about an informational meeting we will be having on August 19 to discuss our trip to Italy. Go to ⁠ourtruecrimepodcast.com⁠ to register for the zoom meeting.*** Thirteen-year-old Danny Joe Eberle didn’t want to get up that morning. It was far too early, and like any kid his age, he just wanted to stay curled beneath the covers. But duty called—just as it had every morning before. It was 5:45 a.m. on Sunday, September 18, 1983, when Danny Joe dragged himself out of bed, dressed quietly, and slipped out the door. Alongside his older brother, he delivered newspapers. He pedaled into the gray morning light and made his usual stop at the corner convenience store to pick up the day’s bundle of Omaha World-Herald newspapers. Like he always did, Danny sat in the parking lot, rolling each newspaper tightly and stuffing it into his canvas bag. What Danny Joe didn’t know was that someone was watching. Danny Joe made three stops, three familiar porches in a neighborhood he knew like the back of his hand. And then, the deliveries stopped. So did Danny Joe. Join Jen and Cam of Our True  Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘From Boy Scout to Serial Killer: John Joubert.’ Listener Discretion is by @octoberpodVHS All music is by our EP @theinkypawprint Sources: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/serial-killer-john-joubert-days-slaying-kids-article-1.3501029 https://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/12/06/Kidnapped-childs-body-found/7156439534800/ http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/a-13-year-olds-dead-body-turns-up Pettit, Mark (1990). A Need to Kill. New York City: Ballantine Books. ISBN 978-0-8041-0785-3. https://web.archive.org/web/20110811001915/http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/john_joubert/index.html Ressler, Robert K.; Shachtman, Tom (1992). "Death of a Newsboy". Whoever Fights Monsters: My Twenty Years Hunting Serial Killers for the FBI. New York City: St. Martin's Press. pp. 93–112. ISBN 0312078838. https://nebraskaexaminer.com/briefs/boys-murdered-in-1983-to-be-memorialized-by-new-crime-victims-monument-in-sarpy-county/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0645494/ https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-joubert https://law.justia.com/cases/maine/supreme-court/1992/603-a-2d-861-0.html https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=5dA8AAAAIBAJ&sjid=Jy4MAAAAIBAJ&pg=3678,1755520 https://books.google.com/books?id=gngG9zPmNKMC&pg=PA64 https://www.upi.com/Archives/1996/07/17/Child-killer-executed-in-Nebraska/9576837576000/ https://www.ketv.com/article/john-joubert-full-documentary/44390709 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In December 2005, a beautiful young woman named Nona Dirksmeyer was brutally murdered in her Arkansas apartment. Her death was a shock, starting a mystery that still isn't solved. The hunt for Nona's killer was messy. Police botched the investigation, and there were multiple trials, but no one was ever found guilty. Nona's killer is still free, walking among us. Join Jen and Cam as they discuss "Unpunished Predator: The Murder of Nona Dirksmeyer." Come to Italy with us in 2026! Email us at ourtruecrimepodcast@gmail.com or call to speak to an agent 1-800-438-7672 https://groups.goaheadtours.com/tours/zvrg-true-crime Thank you to our team Listener Discretion by ⁠⁠Edward October ⁠⁠ Research & Writing by Lauretta Allen Executive Producers Nico & Jesse of The Inky Pawprint ⁠⁠https://theinkypawprint.com⁠ Sources: For a complete list of sources, go to www.ourtruecrimepodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How hard is it to disappear after killing someone? But what if the victims were your own family? The idea of vanishing after such a crime seems unfathomable—yet some manage it, at least for a while. Few cases illustrate this more chillingly than those of John List and Robert Fisher, two men accused of murdering their families and slipping into the shadows. So it has happened before and will undoubtedly happen again, which takes us to today’s case.  It was a quiet Monday morning in Washington, D.C., on March 1, 1976, when William Bradford Bishop Jr.—a rising foreign service officer at the State Department—received the news that would, according to investigators, set a horrific plan in motion. He’d been passed over for a promotion. By mid-afternoon, Bishop told his secretary he was feeling unwell. Colleagues noted that he seemed agitated. One of them, Roy Harrell Jr., would later become the last confirmed person to see him. Bishop left the Foggy Bottom building and disappeared. What followed was a meticulously planned crime. Join Jen and Cam of Our True Crime Podcast as we discuss ‘From Diplomat to FBI’s Most Wanted: William Bradford Bishop.’ Listener discretion by @octoberpodVHS Music is by our EP @theinkypawprint Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/01/AR2006030102328_4.html https://people.com/william-bradford-bishop-people-magazine-investigates-murder-family-fbi-wanted-8763135 http://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/series/brad-bishop/The-Hunt-for-William-Bradford-Bishop-254259061.html http://www.nbcwashington.com/video/#!/news/local/William-Braford-Bishop-Added-to-FBI-s-Ten-Most-Wanted-List/254741211 https://web.archive.org/web/20130407061938/http://www.amw.com/pdf/brad-bishop-letter-from-bankston.pdf http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-us-diplomat-murder-suspect-added-to-fbis-most-wanted/ http://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/series/brad-bishop/Inside-the-Evidence-Room-in-the-Hunt-for-William-Bradford-Bishop-254602021.html https://archive.org/details/anatomyofmotivef00doug http://infoweb.newsbank.com/apps/news/document-view?p=AWNB&docref=news/14FA438034ACC1A8 https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/brad-bishop/fbi-confirms-nc-woman-is-accused-killer-william-bradford-bishops-daughter/2807832/ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74885288/bishop-wanted/ https://www.thewashingtondailynews.com/2014/04/11/the-bradford-bishop-mystery/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140416143734/http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/april/william-bradford-bishop-added-to-fbi-top-ten-list/william-bradford-bishop-added-to-fbi-top-ten-list/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/01/AR2006030102328_4.html https://people.com/william-bradford-bishop-people-magazine-investigates-murder-family-fbi-wanted-8763135 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices