Jesse is a co-founder and GP at Variant. We talk why building onchain is more like building hardware than software, decoupling governance and ownership, outsourcing decisions to the market using modular system design, and why consensual hierarchy may be a better way to run decentralized organizations. - - This episode is sponsored by Forefront ‒ a community and media network for the explorers, builders, and artists at the frontier of collective creation onchain. Subscribe to the Forefront newsletter at forefront.market/subscribe. - - Follow Jesse: https://twitter.com/jessewldn Follow Chase: https://twitter.com/chaserchapman Follow On the Other Side: https://twitter.com/ontheOSpod Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3pJInKm Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3M7wHbP Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3pMRbiM - -  Disclaimer: Nothing said on On The Other Side is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Chase and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.