Step into Episode 179 of On the Delo as David DeLorenzo sits down with chef-restaurateur Doug Robson—Mexico City–born, Arizona-made—for a straight-shooting conversation about immigration, grit, and building neighborhood restaurants that people actually return to three and four times a week.
From a 1983 move to San Antonio to Scottsdale Culinary Institute (1996), the Phoenician and Roaring Fork, through the LGO crucible and beyond, Doug lays out the mindset shifts that turned ego into collaboration and fine-dining polish into community comfort.
You’ll hear the real story: $7.35/hour kitchen days, 9/11’s night-of impact on reservations, opening Gallo Blanco in 2009 on just $65K, closing “Gallo 1.0,” launching Otro Café in 2013, then expanding his canvas with Tesota—all while learning to delegate, welcome failure as tuition, and reset in Greer with long hikes that spark new recipes.
Chapter Guide (Timestamps):
(0:14 – 1:12) Cold Open & Episode 179 intro; Lake Powell guitars and banter.
(1:13 – 3:04) Origin story: Mexico City → San Antonio (1983); psychology major; industry since 16; SCI (1996).
(3:05 – 6:52) Early career: The Phoenician (Robert McGrath), Roaring Fork, Michael’s at the Citadel; ESL grind.
(6:53 – 9:38) Meeting his wife; support system; $7.35/hour realities and expectations.
(9:39 – 12:06) Owning the dream; 9/11’s same-day reservation crash.
(12:07 – 15:22) LGO years: 5 a.m.–11 p.m. shifts, ego check, neighborhood focus, “I wanted to do tacos.”
(20:08 – 23:30) Audience > opinions; “feed the masses” philosophy; the no-parking $8M goal.
(23:31 – 26:06) B-locations with vision; Gallo Blanco (2009) for $65K; kept and grew the team.
(26:07 – 31:27) Letting go to lead; embracing $20K–$100K mistakes; Rich Melman’s portfolio math.
(31:28 – 41:27) Health reset, Greer cabin hikes, sourcing from Phoenix, Santa Fe road trips → menu R&D.
(41:28 – 44:17) Restaurant guide: Otro (flour tortillas, huevos/barbacoa, pancakes), Gallo (nixtamal corn tortillas, ceviches, embuelto), Tesota (global veg plates, wood-oven eggplant, Sonoran pasta).
(45:58 – 50:38) Rapid-fire: chili as a secret weapon; add sour cream + extra egg to pancakes.
(50:39 – 54:56) Bigfoot vs. bears; Motley Crüe; why early angst powers classic records; close & subscribe.
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