Is vaccine hesitancy unique to our contemporary era? What happens when the way we talk about pain changes from the spiritual and soulful to a purely corporal experience that can and must be medicated away? And whose pain continues to be taken seriously while the pain of others is purposefully ignored? In this episode, Emilia sits down with Dr. Travis Chi Wing Lau, a scholar and poet who is embracing uncertainty and doubt through his creative praxis, building queer kinship by thinking through pain relationally, and whose work on recovering historical articulations of pain helps shed light on how we think about pain today.

> You can find more of Travis’s work at TravisCLau.com

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