This episode/discussion came about from a discussion Martha and I were having about a race of people have consistently conquered and destroyed everything and every place they have encountered. We eventually labeled that group as apathetic. We then applied the same thought to people with other DNA and traits that seem to make them habitually empathetic. As we continued to consider the thought, we began to hypothesize that those individuals who lean towards the DNA and traits of apathy, they are happy to hurt others and to even wish for the privilege of exercising hatred. The other group, with certain DNA traits, seem to expect the most hateful people to become a Saul to Paul experience. Let's listen to Martha and how she explains this thought.