This episode is a unique one for the show.

Roland is someone who I've modeled my business around for the last half decade since I came across him.

This interview took me YEARS to get the courage to ask for.

Now, I titled this interview a bit differently than normal. See, Roland said something to me in this that really opened my eyes (as if that were possible because he's done that a few times already).

"Once you realize you can make money doing anything..."

After that...I just got so comfortable in this chat. All my nervousness disappeared.

Why?

Because I realized at the deepest level, Roland is an adventurer. From getting a real estate license at 18 to consulting with dozens of companies to his infamous "I'm not on any company's org chart" system, he is still the same guy who saw what was possible early on.

After seeing his dad work with clients and realizing early on that there's an unlimited number of ways to make a living, he decided the creative dealmaking life was for him.

I admit, I'm a little bit of a fanboy on this interview. Sorry not sorry.

After listening, you'll see why...Roland is not only as sharp as they come. He is someone who eats, sleeps, and breathes opportunity. And he's a gentleman.

Funny story, when I asked him to record, he agreed immediately upon receiving the message. And then scheduled immediately. As a few friends told me, he is friendly, courteous, and ever the gentleman.

This was fun.

Enjoy!