In episode four, we sit down with Sarah Winstein-Hibbs and John Favini, two recent PhD graduates in English and anthropology from the University of Virginia. They also happen to be married to each other. After defending her dissertation entitled “American Charisma: Race, Leadership, and Collectivity in U.S. Literature, 1960-2018,” Sarah began a position as an Assistant Teaching Professor at Penn State University’s Department of English. After defending his dissertation entitled, “Fugitive Ecologies: Maroonage, Indigeneity, and Nature Conservation in Jamaica,” John began a position as a Visiting Assistant Professor of Environmental Studies & Sciences, International Relations at Bucknell University. We ask them about their teaching philosophies, living and working in Jamaica, and what it’s like to navigate the academic world together. Follow us on Instagram @ntkodpodcast and Twitter @NTKODPodcast or send us an email at notthatkindofdoctor@gmail.com. Music in this episode is "Awakening Instrumental" by ItsWatR. Find our episode show notes, additional credits, and transcript here.