Demonic powers and politics? Is this going to be a weird campfire conversation where they share their demon stories? No, quite the opposite! You may have heard this one before! That’s because it’s an older episode, but it’s one of our favorites! And given the political chatter over the last few months, we decided to resurface it and revisit a conversation on the reality of demonic and dark spiritual forces at work in the political realm. Hear as Patrick sits down with Tim Mackie, cofounder of BibleProject, and the two have a sophisticated and candid discussion about the “powers” that Paul refers to in Ephesians. Tim shares how these spiritual powers contribute to disunity and fragmentation within the church, urging Christians to be aware of these schemes and seek unity above all else. You’ll also hear Tim share how the BibleProject navigates hot-button, cultural topics, and whether or not he believes the church should weigh in on such conversations. Listen now! Have you read "Joyful Outsiders" yet? It's available now! Learn more, read a sample chapter, and grab your own copy here: https://joyfuloutsiders.com/ Note: This episode is from our previous podcast, Truth Over Tribe. We’ve kept a few of these conversations on our feed because they're worth revisiting, but the tone and focus have shifted from what we’re doing now on Not Just Sunday. For new episodes focused on how Christians can live out a full-time faith, check out Not Just Sunday, right here on the same feed.