Over the last couple of years Ben has developed a platform for young and old rugby players to help develop their skills and fitness.

A former professional rugby player for Welsh regional side Ospreys. His career cut short due to a series of concussions, he turned to his hand to becoming a personal trainer and later the head trainer at the Manor Gym in London.

We chat about rugby, coaching skills, life and playing the long game.

An all-round decent human, this was a good conversation beyond just rugby.