In this episode, Den Jones shares his journey from Scotland to becoming a prominent figure in cybersecurity, discussing the evolving role of the CISO, the skills gap, and the importance of accountability. He emphasizes the need for effective communication with executives and the challenges posed by legacy systems. Den also reflects on leadership lessons learned from past mistakes and provides insights into implementing Zero Trust strategies. The conversation concludes with advice for aspiring leaders and a light-hearted discussion about food. Key Takeaways: • Den Jones shares his journey from Scotland to the US. • The role of the CISO has evolved significantly in recent years. • CISOs face increasing accountability and regulatory pressures. • There is a skills gap in cybersecurity, often due to employer expectations. • Legacy systems pose significant challenges for security teams. • Effective communication with executives is crucial for success. • Celebrating small wins can motivate teams and improve morale. • Zero Trust implementation requires understanding the audience's needs. • Leadership involves learning from mistakes and seeking mentorship. • The future of the CISO role may involve blending with CIO responsibilities. Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms. What is the Zero Trust Forum about?  It’s about empowering zero trust security professionals with strategies, architecture, and real world journeys to secure the digital future, the right way! Follow the Zero Trust Forum on LinkedIn www.linkedin.com/company/zero-trust-forum/. Follow Jaye Tillson on LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/jaye-tillson/ Follow John Spiegel on LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/john-spiegel-2011543/