A fictional villain podcast! Listen in any order. Hosts Joe and Tiana attempt to empathize with the most notorious fictional villains like Cruella de Vil, Draco Malfoy, Norman Bates, Harley Quinn, and more. With discussion, some literary art, and a bit of humor, they attempt to find the humanity behind these characters. Because if we can learn to connect with, relate to, and understand characters that were designed to be hated, then we might just have a chance at understanding our villainous selves as well as the villains we face in our everyday lives.