We’re living through a moment of global upheaval—where the old order is crumbling, and the future feels dangerously uncertain. At the heart of this instability is the evolving, uneasy relationship between the U.S. and China: two powers with the ambition and capacity to shape whatever comes next, yet with fundamentally different worldviews. In this episode of New Thinking for a New World, we hear from Chandran Nair, founder of the Global Institute for Tomorrow, a Pan-Asian think tank. Speaking from an Asian perspective, Nair argues that China may be more clear-eyed than the West about how the world should work. Is he right? Listen and decide for yourself.