On today's episode we cover Dwarkesh Patel's recent interview with Andrej Karpathy, discussing his views on the future of Large Language Models (LLMs) and AI agents. Karpathy argues that the full realization of competent AI agents will take a decade, primarily due to current models' cognitive deficits, lack of continual learning, and insufficient multimodality. He contrasts the current approach of building "ghosts" through imitation learning on internet data with the biological process of building "animals" through evolution, which he refers to as "crappy evolution." The discussion also explores the limitations of reinforcement learning (RL), the importance of a cognitive core stripped of excessive memory, and the need for better educational resources like his new venture, Eureka, which focuses on building effective "ramps to knowledge."