In this two-hour conversation, we explore how family dynamics and political division often mirror each other — and why we’re setting out to walk the entire American Discovery Trail as both a personal healing journey and a national conversation.

We dive into childhood trauma, generational patterns, and the emotional cost of living in a divided culture. We also open up about our hopes, fears, and the practical realities of walking 3,000 miles across the U.S. — meeting people from all walks of life to see if we can still find common ground.

If you’ve ever wondered how personal change can ripple into societal change, or if two people can cross a country and come back transformed, this episode is your invitation to walk alongside us.