Life-change experts and This Morning stars, Nik and Eva Speakman talk about the celeb phobias they've cured, including Holly Willoughby's fear of flying - and ghosts!
The couple, who have been together for more than 30 years, admit they didn't fancy each other when they first met - perhaps because Nik was sporting a permed mullet.
Find out what these famous therapists are scared of, how they deal with trolls and what Eva hasn't touched in 14 years - all in this week's My Dirty Laundry podcast.