My guest on this episode is Katherine Gibson, a fiercely creative thinker on the relationship between post-capitalism and consciousness. With Julie Graham, she is co-author of a number of books, including The End of Capitalism as We Know It, and Postcapitalist Politics. Katherine is an economic geographer at Western Sydney University, and founded the ‘Community Economies Collective’, which is a project that involves both academics and communities in theorizing and practicing new economic visions. In our conversation, we explore: The relationship between self-transformation and economic transformation How post-capitalism is not something that can be learned or intellectually understood, so much as performed, acted out, and felt, which suggests why new economies require new selves, new configurations of how we experience our bodies and relations How national scale policy like basic income can help support individuals in their own processes of exploration and transformation, Why self-entrepreneurship is the ultimate expression of neoliberal subjectivity, Etc. Enjoy!