Hey guys! In this episode I speak to two of my best friends Erica Perry & Edwina Masson. We were all friends before motherhood and birthed our sons almost exactly one year after each other. 

Both of these women are mother makers and have had to make big pivots in their creations in the online space. 

Both are also primarily artists but have been on a journey of how that expresses through their world from education and academic expression and then the morphing into art as they became mothers. 

In this episode we chat about some of the challenges of being mother makers in the online space, and the value placed on artists and mothers. 

We speak about being public or private in marketing ourselves online and the exhaustion we sometimes feel from showing up so consistently. 

We speak about sales, and our own movements from educational based offerings to art, and how becoming mothers transformed our work in many ways. 

This chat is messy and a bit all over the place but in a beautiful way and I like the way we are just exploring topics with curiosity. 

You can find Erica and Edwina on instagram

@theericaperry

@the.edwina.masson

and myself @The.kat.river

Enjoy!

Kat