Former Mill Valley mayor and longtime Marin Independent Journal columnist Dick Spotswood joins us for a candid conversation about civic service, political polarization, and the future of democracy. With reflections on his time working with Mayor George Moscone—and personal stories about the late Harvey Milk—Dick reminds us what leadership, integrity, and radical civility once looked like. From the myths behind BART to the social work of public persuasion, this episode is both a history lesson and a call to thoughtful action.