EPISODE SUMMARY What does it take to pioneer an entire field? Rachel sits down with Bari Tessler, the woman who literally invented financial therapy 25 years ago, just before Bari steps into a well-deserved sabbatical. They dive deep into why therapists weren't taught about money, how somatic psychology saved Bari's life, and what your Enneagram type reveals about your money patterns. This is a rare glimpse into the mind of a true trailblazer who transformed how we think about money and healing.   "The doorway of money leads to all of those other things... our sense of value and worth, how we communicate, how we don't, our sense of self, intimacy. It really touches everything."   Key Takeaways: Therapists need their own money work before they can ethically help clients with theirs Financial therapy addresses both micro (personal) and macro (systemic) money issues Your Enneagram type reveals predictable patterns in how you handle money Money work is a "trailhead" that leads to deeper healing and wholeness Making money practices sensory-rich helps heal financial trauma   About Bari Tessler: Bari is the founder of financial therapy as we know it today. Her bestselling books "The Art of Money" and "The Art of Money Workbook" have guided thousands through money healing. After 25 years of teaching, she's stepping into sabbatical to answer a new calling.   EPISODE BREAKDOWN 02:30 | Why Therapists Aren't Taught About Money The shocking gap in mental health training and why it's ethically negligent 08:30 | From Somatic Psychology to Money Work How body-based therapy became the foundation for financial healing 16:00 | Micro vs Macro: Both Matter Why individual money work AND systemic change are both essential 25:30 | Your Enneagram Type & Money Patterns How personality drives predictable financial behaviors and blind spots 32:00 | The Red Phone in the Desert Bari's mysterious calling away from financial therapy after 25 years Resources Mentioned "The Art of Money" by Bari Tessler - The foundational text of financial therapy "The Art of Money Workbook" by Bari Tessler - Interactive companion guide "The Enneagram Guide to Waking Up" - Rachel's current read on personality and growth   Join the Conversation What's your Enneagram type and how do you see it showing up in your money life? Have you noticed patterns that Bari described? Click the big orange button and share your insights: https://www.moneyhealingclub.com/podcast   Your next listen: Dive deeper into body-based money work with our chakras episode featuring Jessica Boots   Use code PODCAST for 50% off your first month and start your money healing process! https://www.moneyhealingclub.com/club   Full transcript: https://www.moneyhealingclub.com/podcast   We're a proud member of the Feminist Podcasters Collective where creators like me are uplifting diverse voices and driving meaningful change.