Welcome to Minds Over Magic, the podcast where fantasy and psychology meet on the battlefield of feelings and fiction.

Hosted by two friends with very different perspectives, this show dives deep into the world of romantasy — the wildly popular genre blending romance and fantasy. Katya is a lifelong romantasy reader who brings her passion, fan insights, and love for dragons, daring, and slow burns. Katheryn is a psychologist and psychotherapist who is only just stepping into the genre for the first time, exploring its characters and tropes with fresh eyes and a professional understanding of the human mind. Together, they unpack what makes these stories so gripping, what drives the characters’ choices, and why romantasy resonates with so many readers.

For our first season, we’re journeying through Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros — chapter by chapter (spoilers for the chapters we’re covering in each episode, and possibly referencing things we talked about in earlier episodes).

Each episode offers a breakdown of the plot as it unfolds, alongside layered discussions of character psychology, relationships, and the wider themes of survival, power, and love. From high-stakes battles and impossible choices to swoony moments and morally gray decisions, we bring both fandom excitement and therapeutic insight to the table.

Expect a mix of lively banter, thoughtful analysis, and plenty of laughs as we navigate everything from dragon politics to messy love interests. Whether you’re a romantasy veteran or brand new to the genre, you’ll find a space here to reflect on why these stories matter — and maybe even learn something about yourself in the process.

Episodes are released weekly. So grab your copy of Fourth Wing, and join us as we explore the magic, the romance, and the psychology behind the pages.