In this episode, we address the question "Is forgiveness related to health?" We speak with public health expert Dr Magon Saunders and Pastor Emmanuel Williams. Dr Saunders started "Forgive 4 Health Ministries" after changing her doctoral dissertation topic in public health from diabetes research to forgiveness. She has dedicated her life to understanding and promoting forgiveness, particularly for black Americans, through workshops, seminars, assessments and other means. Pastor Williams has reflected on forgiveness for much of his life and has supported and advised on Dr Saunders' forgiveness work.