In this third instalment on Winston Churchill and war, Gary and Spencer delve into Churchill’s leadership style, analysing it through the lens of transformative leadership. They explore his approach to decision-making, crisis management and inspiring action during turbulent times. The episode also examines Churchill’s controversial attitude towards fascist leaders Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, evaluating how his views shaped his policies and public stance. Gary and Spencer discuss Churchill’s reputation during the interwar years, a period marked by political exile and criticism. They assess his warnings about Nazi Germany in the 1930s and his efforts to rebuild his credibility as a statesman. The conversation is enriched by differing perspectives: Gary offers a more critical take on Churchill, while Spencer provides a defence of his legacy, drawing personal inspiration from the man he shares a name with. This episode provides a nuanced look at Churchill’s leadership qualities and their broader implications during a time of significant global upheaval.