In the fourth part of the series on Churchill and war, Gary and Spencer focus on Churchill’s dramatic return to government during the Phoney War. They analyse his role as First Lord of the Admiralty and his efforts to modernise the Royal Navy, ensuring Britain’s readiness for the looming conflict. The discussion explores Churchill’s complex relationship with Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, highlighting their political disagreements and contrasting leadership styles. Gary and Spencer also examine the critical question of succession as Chamberlain’s premiership faltered. Who would take the helm: Churchill, with his unyielding defiance of fascism, or the more diplomatically inclined Lord Halifax? The hosts offer compelling insights into the political manoeuvring of this pivotal moment in history, setting the stage for Churchill’s ultimate rise to the role of wartime leader.