In this conversation, Rich Appell, CEO of Odin Marine Group, shares his extensive journey in the maritime industry, discussing the evolution of his company, the challenges faced in the chemical tanker sector, and the importance of persistence and education in achieving success. The dialogue highlights the unique personalities within the industry and the rewarding experiences that come with a long career in shipping. This discussion explores the complexities of the shipping industry, particularly in chemical transport, emphasizing the evolution of safety measures, the significance of competition and legacy, and the necessity of focus and adaptability in a dynamic environment. It also touches on the impact of geopolitics on shipping and the industry's future in relation to national security.