This episode is about fighting for your rights, fighting to be treated right, and fighting for your position. Not only having your own voice, but also having people advocate for you. Hall of Fame Marketing Executive, Bozoma Saint John, dives straight in with Marsha on this heartfelt and powerful conversation. Boz talks about where her fire comes from within her soul—as a child, constantly having to speak up for herself. Moving from Ghana to Colorado Springs at 12 years old, she talks about the narrative that organizations like UNICEF and World Aid were telling everybody, “that African children were worth one penny.” Marsha rewinds the clock to 2016 bringing Boz back to her memories of presenting at Apple's yearly World Wide Developers Conference (WWDC). At the time, Apple was facing major criticism in how male and white their presenters have been in the past. From her anxiety leading up to the event to her fashion and music choices, Boz gives us the real peek behind the curtain. in tearing down this glass ceiling — and by the way, Boz will tell you there isn’t just one glass ceiling, they keep on coming and you have to keep on breaking them. The conversation then travels into the dark side of success. When you get to “the top”, there’s the weight of carrying everyone under your wing, and as you grow that weight gets heavier too. They wrap up their conversation touching on the “failure of trying to fit in.” As these two badass career women will tell you, “we need to be ourselves or it’s not going to work. Want to watch this interview? Subscribe to our Youtube channel here. Follow Marsha on socials: Instagram: @marshamolinari Tiktok: @marshamolinari Twitter: @MDMOLINARI Follow Bozoma: Instagram: @badassboz Twitter: @badassboz Follow Vocal Podcast Network: Instagram: @vocalpodcasts Twitter: @VocalPodcasts #VocalPodcasts #VocalPodcastNetwork #Mx3Podcast #MarshaMarshaMarsha Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices