“Pastor—emphasis on past.” Jason Villanueva joins us and pulls back the curtain on church-plant growth quotas, preaching someone else’s sermon, and why a packed prayer night was treated like a problem. We get real about burnout, metrics vs. people, and swapping platform life for the “micro”:real relationships, creation, and meals. Deconstruction? He calls it reduction—and it might be the most honest thing you hear all week. If you’ve ever wondered why so many pastors quietly quit (or if church can exist without the performance), this one’s a gut punch—in a good way.

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