John Perry describes himself as a therapeutic coach, but that does not do him justice. You only have to hear him speak to understand just how much knowledge and experience he has gathered over his decades of client work, as well as (even more impressively) the curiosity and desire to always be learning, to tweak and to hone his craft.

John talks us through his view on how truly effective coaching focuses upon helping someone to focus less upon improving their self-esteem and more upon their self-worth. John describes the focus on self-esteem as being about constantly making improvements, moving forwards, and measuring worth by achievement. John tells us that working on self-worth is about helping the client to develop the sense that they are already worthwhile, that they were born worthwhile and that no matter what they do or don’t achieve, they are always worthwhile.

If you take an interest in coaching as a discipline that can be used to truly transform the way that someone sees themselves, then this episode will be for you.

John referenced many great resources for coaches and therapists during the episode, we have listed some of them here:

Man’s Search for Meaning – Viktor Frankl: https://amzn.to/3niR9Zz

The Doctor and the Soul – Viktor Frankl: https://amzn.to/3nldgyF

Choice Theory: A New Psychology of Personal Freedom – William Glasser: https://amzn.to/2LAqPMN

Kim references a book too, and although she forgets the name during the interview, it is a belter: The Ego Trick - Julian Baggini: https://amzn.to/3qVrOY5