Welcome to Madang Podcast. Madang is the outdoor living room of the world. Here, we invite you to sit and tune into unreserved, remarkable conversations with renown authors, leaders, public figures and scholars on religion, culture and everything in-between. This has been a dream of mine for many years and now it is a reality. Please join me at Madang Podcast hosted by the Christian Century. This is the 36th episode of Madang where I converse with David P. Gushee on his book, "Defending Democracy from Its Christian Enemies". David P. Gushee is Distinguished University Professor of Christian Ethics at Mercer University, Atlanta, Georgia. He also serves as chair in Christian social ethics at Vrije Universiteit and senior research fellow at International Baptist Theological Study Centre, both in Amsterdam. His many other books include Righteous Gentiles of the Holocaust: Genocide and Moral Obligation. On this episode, Gushee talks with me about "Defending Democracy from Its Christian Enemies", patriotism, nationalism, and ultranationalism, Authoritarian Reactionary Christianity and whiteness and so much more. You can also listen to the podcast on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast I am grateful to Homebrewed Christianity, Eerdmans Publishing and Wild Goose Festival for their sponsorship of this episode. Please check out their website for their work, events and to donate. Please reach out to me if you would like to sponsor the next episode of Madang podcast. Or simply support me here: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/grace-ji-sun-kim