In February, Jamie sat down with Eric K. Ward—civil-rights leader and EVP at Race Forward—and Rachel Carroll Rivas—interim director of the SPLC Intelligence Project. Known for their on-the-ground work tracking extremism and building resilient communities, Eric and Rachel dig into the rise of hate in America and how we move forward together. From the January 6 pardons and what they signal, to why antisemitism sits at the core of modern white nationalism, they trace the roots of militia movements, Charlottesville’s wake-up call, and how online ecosystems recruit young people—often starting as “jokes.” They also get practical: curiosity over combat, local organizing over cable-news theater, and “desegregating” our daily lives so we actually talk—and listen—across differences. Eric shares lessons from his punk rock days and why targeted, universal solutions beat zero-sum politics. Whether you care about democracy, public safety, or bridging the red/blue divide, this conversation is candid, nuanced, and focused on solutions. What you’ll hear in this episode:   •  The ripple effects of the January 6 pardons and what comes next   •  Why antisemitism animates today’s white nationalist movement   •  How militias evolved from the 1980s to present—and why that matters now   •  Charlottesville as a turning point (and what we learned—and forgot)   •  Practical ways to build trust locally and talk across political lines   •  How youth get pulled into hate online—and how adults can interrupt it   •  Eric’s punk-rock to civil-rights journey and what it teaches about community 👉 If you care about democracy, community safety, and finding common ground, you won’t want to miss this episode. Subscribe to Jamie’s List for behind-the-scenes access and live audience Q&A - https://www.jamieslist.com/membership?utm_source=YouTube&utm_medium=Description&utm_campaign=eric_K_ward