In this episode of Lost in Language Jessica talks to Beth Macy. Together they explore David Bohm’s work on meaning, inspired by his words ‘ a change of meaning is a change of being.’ Beth shares both stories of Bohm’s early life that gave him insight into how meaning is created, formed in and carried through movement, and stories of her own experience with dialogue, with a powerful example of truth telling in an organisation in crisis. As Bohm said, ‘meaning is the cement that holds society together, and at the moment we have very poor quality cement,’ Join us as we reflect on how dialogue can support us to improve the quality of our collective cement, and how we can all be meaning makers. The common thread throughout Beth’s work history has been change. Throughout most of her work life, she has been engaged with organizations experiencing difficult issues. Early in her career, Dr. Macy’s curiosity about effective change led her to achieving masters and doctorate degrees in management focusing on organizational behavior and organizational theory. Developing her own competencies first as a manager and as a leader, she then shifted to her long-time aspiration of coaching and consulting other organizational leaders. The types of organizations she’s worked with have varied from small to large, private to public, non-profit to profit, health care to manufacturing. A deep fascination with systems theory brought Beth in contact many years back with David Bohm's process of dialogue which ever since has been the core of her research, writing and practice. Living in the USA (Texas) she is completing a book on the ideas and individuals who influenced Bohm’s process of dialogue.