A talk with Mia DiMaio about the growing pains and joys of leaving “a state of long-term loneliness,” the limits of the Best Friend, anchoring in a state of flux and other boat metaphors. 

Mia is a designer (and dear friend of Kate’s) based in New York City. 

More from Mia: miadimaio.com/updates. 

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Music used in this edited episode:

One Two 3 4 by Origami Repetika (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode)

Cattails by Kevin MacLeod (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode)

Acoustic Meditation by Jason Shaw (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/us/legalcode)