This week’s episode is the second part of a conversation that I had with Gisela Rossi a few weeks ago.

In the first part, we discussed her work as an Engineering Lead at a tech scale-up called Pollen. This was episode 6 of the podcast, if you want to go back and have a listen.

However, in this episode, we're going to talk about a phenomenon Gisela noticed where the work of junior and mid-level developers isn't always fully appreciated. Gisela outlines what developers can do themselves to ensure that their work is properly valued and also what policies organisations can adopt to appropriately value their employees.