Damien is back in the local loser seat and is beaming down to Ōtautahi Christchurch to chat online with Josiah Morgan, who was definitely called precocious as a child.

They go 'refined artist vibes' and get into the literary, not limited to Laura Borrowdale's collection Dead Ends from Tender Press, literary (and other pursuits) from power couple Claudia and Nathaniel Herz Jardine, and what it takes to write, rewrite and write back into, again, your own work.

Some links you may be interested in from this episode include Josiah's Instagram, a link to purchase Dead Ends or a link to preorder Ngā Pukapuka Pekapeka's second trio of works.

Damien can be found on Instagram.

The local loser theme song is composed by Karen Hu.