Reporting live* from Tāmaki Makaurau, Damien chats with Gabi Lardies at her house and together they come up with a really great idea for dead CD stock and discuss book design!

They also touch on the Objectspace Book Fair, why everything in publishing is called the same thing, coptic stitching, and a beautiful ring by Cindy Tan.

Some helpful links you might like after the episode include the online archive of The National Grid, the Dead Bird Books offerings and Cindy Tan's Instagram.

*This episode is not, in fact, live.

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The local loser theme song is composed by Karen Hu.