In this episode we speak with Constance Dupuis and Nanna Kirstine Leets Hansen, both PhD researchers about their journey of unlearning and loving across difference. We discuss whether it's possible to let go of some of the terms in social justice and transformative justice spaces that no longer serve us and what implications that has. We also talk about our lessons in learning to listen and what possibilities are opened up for relational accountability.  

Constance Dupuis is a settler Canadian who is working to unlearn the colonial dynamics that mark the history and the present of the place she calls home. She is learning to be relationally accountable by listening deeply. Her PhD research focuses on wellbeing in later life and the intersection of care for generations and care for place.

Nanna Kirstine Leets Hansen is an activist, scholar and mujer que lucha. Through her PhD research she questions systemic violence, structural racism and solidarity in relation to deportation camps in Denmark. Through this engagement with antiracist and decolonial movements, she has learned to be in relation in the pursuit of building alternatives.

Article mentioned in this episode: https://ma-consultancy.co.uk/blog/language-is-important-why-we-will-no-longer-use-allyship-and-privilege-in-our-work

Music for the podcast is produced and performed by Ntomb'Yelanga, whose work is aimed at the preservation, promotion and creation of indigenous instruments and music in South Africa. Her current project, Songs of our Ancestors, explores how ancient sounds ingoma is a language, a memory and a dream we bring to life through intergenerational connections and sound dialogue, where the body is seen as a living archive of these sounds. Makwande sibamba ngazo zombili.http://www.mmaletsatsipro.co.za/

This episode is brought to you by the Civic Innovation Research Initiative, a group of scholar-activists committed to social justice based at the International Institute of Social Studies, in The Hague, Netherlands. https://www.iss.nl/en/research/research-groups/civic-innovation