Host Ryan Shelton sits down with 227 game WAFL Umpire Rob McCaw, to talk through his 17 year journey to umpire his first WAFL Grand Final in 2022. The boy from the burbs transformed from a Skyline driving, Dominos working, delisted umpire, to become the captain, 'Skipper', of the WAFL Umpiring High Performance Field Umpires. This is an incredible story of how one can learn something from every lesson in life.