In this heart-to-heart convo, Josiah sits down with Chris Harper to talk about something that’s been heavy on both of their hearts—the discipleship crisis in today’s church. They unpack why it’s happening and, more importantly, what we can do about it. Together, they talk through: How tech and individualism are changing the way we do community Why intergenerational relationships are so valuable What it looks like to move from a program-based church model to real, relational discipleship Super practical steps for pastors and everyday believers to build a culture of discipleship that sticks Chris also brings some powerful insight on mentorship, vulnerability, and making discipleship something that’s expected—not just an optional extra. His take on radical self-donation (yep, he said that!) is both challenging and inspiring. Whether you’re leading a church, involved in ministry, or just hungry to grow in your faith, we think you’ll leave this episode encouraged and equipped. Let’s get into it!