In some not-so-casual small talk, Shaena and Jenna open the episode with a discussion about the most memorable programs they've attended. Shaena shares some research about the evolution of children's programs, and then they get into some of the pleasant and not-so-pleasant surprises of virtual programming during a pandemic. During the Reading Break (36:15-30:28), Shaena talks about "American Gods" by Neil Gaiman, and Jenna talks about "Shadow and Bone" by Leigh Bardugo and "Nevers" by Sarah Cassidy. The episode ends with Shaena and Jenna's predictions for library programming post-pandemic. Will virtual programs still exist? Share your thoughts with us on social media using #librarylifepodcast .