Show Notes Ash (they/them) and Myco (it/its) discuss plurality from a plural liberation perspective. Plurality being defined simply as "the experience of being many". They also discuss mad liberation, disability justice, crip negativity, hierarchies and more!  Image Description: The words "Plural Liberation Part 1" pop forward from the background in a dusty purple color. The background has a large glowing blue ampersand taking up the majority of the space, with a dreamy purple gradient surrounding it.  Transcript: transcript doc   Fern (they/them): Hello! Welcome to another episode of Liberatory Naysayers! I’m Ash. They/them pronouns. Today I’m gonna be talking with… Myco (it/its): Myco! It/its pronouns. F: We’re really excited, and a little bit anxious to be talking about… F & M in unison: Plurality! F: Myco would you like to… would you be cool with describing plurality for any listeners who might not be familiar with that term, with what that means? M: Yeah! I would start with the caveat of like what that means to people is widely different depending on who you talk to. It’s a lot like transness right? Like it’s a catchall term that we think we can define really simply, but you ask any one individual person and you’ll get a different answer from someone else. Right? So plurality in it’s most broad sense is the experience of being many. Of being more than one. Is that a good starting definition or? F: Yeah, I think so! M: Ok cool. F: Why did you wanna do an episode on plurality? M: I think for one there are a lot of understandings out there of plurality. I feel like my understanding is a little bit different and unique. I come at it from an abolitionist, anarchist lens. Psych abolitionist, specifically. I care very deeply about mad, crip, neoroqueer liberation.  I don’t know. I kinda wanted to talk about my perspective. As scary as that is!  F: Speaking of scary… Up to this point in your life, from my understanding, it hasn’t been… it’s been a very dangerous thing for you to open up about this aspect of yourself with people. Whether that’s partners or.. I’m not sure if you’ve ever told family members or anything like that.  M: I don’t think so, no. F: In the traditional sense of the term family members. Ok, so it’s been more chosen family that you’ve talked about it before with. You’ve had very different responses from people. It kinda runs the gamut for you. M: Supportive, not really interested, to like straight up abusive. It’s been hard. F: So opening up about this part of yourself is not easy because of all that.  M: Oppression is never fun. F: No, never. I guess if people tuning in were to stop this episode after this question here, what would you… what's the main thing that you would want people who maybe who don’t identify as plural or don’t have those experiences… What would you want them to know as someone who does identify as plural? M: The media is garbage. Throw it in the trash. Don’t believe the superhero stuff. Don’t believe the “we’re all sick scary serial killers” or none of that. I think that’s every plural person’s like top thing to drive home. We are not weird. We are not scary. We are not magical. We’re just people. Just people trying to exist. Just be kind to us. F: Yeah, definitely. There’s a lot of stigma around being plural and what that means. What that looks like.  M: Some perpetuated by plural people themselves and that’s a whole thing. F: True, that gets even stickier. On the flipside, what is something that you would want other people who identify as plural to know? M: I like that question! I would broaden it out to people who have plural experiences but who don’t necessarily identify as plural as well. DID, OSDD… especially folks who identify with more medicalized language. I think this applies very much to. That would be hierarchies are never good. They’re oppression. That includes inter system hierarchies. I think in a lot of ways that these ideas of hierarchical system arrangem