In this week's episode, I got to sit down with Emma Cooke, a pastor and counselor at Hillsong Church in Australia, to explore what it means to lead when a lot of our life is filled with hurt. Together we unpack the tension of showing up for others when we are surrounded by pain in our own lives and how holy vulnerability might be one of the most powerful forms of leadership.

Emma shares how motherhood, ministry, and pain have shaped her leadership in unexpected ways. She opens up about rhythms that rescued her, the whispers of Jesus in her lowest moments, and how God gently rebuilds us through honesty, not performance. If you're leading in any capacity with a tired heart—this conversation will bless you!!