Kink and BDSM in Therapy with Jake Penrod

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Lessons from the Couch

Mariana Reyes Daza, Corina Teofilo Mattson

15 episodes

2 months ago

Welcome to "Lessons from the Couch", where we invite you to pull up a seat and join Corina and Mariana—two marriage and family therapists based in Illinois—on a journey through therapy, life, and everything in between. In each episode, we have honest and engaging conversations with therapists and non-therapists alike, exploring their unique experiences in and around therapy. Whether it's the story of a therapist navigating early career challenges or a non-therapist sharing how therapy changed their life, our goal is to show just how accessible and transformative these conversations can be. We also dive into the diverse career paths and personal journeys within the field of mental health, from seasoned professionals to those just starting out (like Corina and Mariana, who are at opposite timelines of their own therapy careers). If you're curious about therapy, mental health, or simply enjoy meaningful conversations, "Lessons from the Couch" is for you. Get ready to think, reflect, and discover new perspectives one conversation at a time. Follow Lessons from the Couch on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts to listen to new episodes. Co-Hosted by Corina Teofilo Mattson and Mariana Reyes Daza. Show art by Jae Avilez. Music by Brandon Acosta. If you're interested in therapy services, either in person or via telehealth, and reside in Illinois, visit www.liveoakchicago.com to learn more.

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Kink and BDSM in Therapy with Jake Penrod

Lessons from the Couch

37 minutes

4 months ago

Kink and BDSM in Therapy with Jake Penrod

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Jake Penrod (he/him, they/them) is a Couple and Family Therapist at Live Oak who specializes in working with queer and kinky clients, as well as those in non-monogamous relationships. His work is deeply informed by both personal and professional immersion in these communities. In addition to their clinical work, Jake hosts the podcast I Hate James Dobson alongside our colleague Brooke, where they explore the harms of evangelical culture, particularly its messages around parenting, queerness, and morality.

In this episode, we sit down with Jake to explore how he came into his clinical identity with a strong sense of purpose and clarity, as well as the complexities of expertise, queerness, and therapeutic presence. Jake shares their journey of integrating personal history (especially his experiences with religious trauma and queer community) into his professional work. We discuss what all therapists can learn from kink and leather communities, including lessons on consent, aftercare, and expansive definitions of sex and intimacy. Jake also reflects on what it means to live in the tension between idealism and pragmatism, and how humility and curiosity shape his approach to both therapy and learning. Whether you’re a new therapist or a seasoned one, there’s something here for anyone wanting to think more critically and expansively about their role.

For more about Jake, visit Jacob Penrod • Live Oak Chicago. Don’t forget to check out Jake’s podcast “I Hate James Dobson”.

Follow Lessons from the Couch on Spotify, Apple Music, or wherever you get your podcasts to listen to new episodes.

Co-Hosted by Corina Teofilo Mattson and Mariana Reyes Daza. Show art by Jae Avilez. Music by Brandon Acosta.