Tom Griffiths is joined by Julie Dirksen, a celebrated author and learning strategy consultant, who integrates behavioral science principles into the design of impactful learning experiences as showcased in her bestselling book "Design For How People Learn" and her recent work "Talk to the Elephant: Design Learning for Behavior Change." In this episode, Tom and Julie discuss how learning leaders can enhance their influence on behavior change and expand their toolkit with behavioral psychology insights. They also explore how to bridge the gap between a learner's intellectual knowledge and personal experience to more effectively drive long-term behavior change.