In this powerful conversation, Jo Chrona shares her personal and professional journey into Indigenous education and anti-racism. She emphasizes the importance of relationships in learning, the need to unlearn biases, and the misconceptions surrounding Indigenous education. Jo discusses culturally responsive teaching strategies, the impact of privilege and low expectations, and the significance of high expectations based on relationships. The conversation concludes with a hopeful outlook on the future of education, highlighting the need for commitment to learning and doing differently.